Luke wrote:TLDR: Tighter control on items, rehashing of certain effects may be required to make character options worthwhile. I remember when soul was scary, if you wanted to get around a warrior you got his soul. Same with a mage. Why do we need this pureshard/rift/divine/bane crap anyway?
At a guess, because it was felt it was the only way to challenge ultra high skill parties but, in reality, none of those calls remotely challenge super high skill characters anyway.
Agree about the Soul thing. One of the coolest fights was against the mouth, it was taxing, challenging and very, very rewarding. It felt hard, it felt like you were in real danger. Then Annihilation just felt a bit rubbish in comparison because it was all "you get hit you die" which isn't remotely challenging.
It's the same by bringing a neuronic mage as a player verses a boss. They use that Neuronic Crush, they can't move or cast etc, neither can the boss, the team beats a big NPC to death while he stands still. That's shit. So is the boss saying ''nah mate, no effect''. It's difficult, that absolute ''always works'' part reduces the options of the players and the referees.
I have a feeling that this should have been worded as "if either the caster or the target takes damage then the effect is broken" but this was missed
What a lot of these calls do is completely remove that reward. They create an absolute which you cannot really deal with. Okay for a mage maybe that's fine, but I can see the frustration in creating a very well built, well crafted intelligent character with options being fucked over entirely by some trumped up little tool because he got his hands on something dumb.
Can't all of the calls on the first page be negated by skills in the standard part of the system?
From a ref point of view I think these absolutes are fine, but in the hands of players it's crappy especially as Will says on transferable items.
Out of interest, why is it ok for refs to use them and players to not?
BTW: yes calls like "possession more soul than you have" are rubbish, I completely agree